Windows 10 and now Windows 11

I had a Windows problem from hell this week.

It suddenly started with Chrome reverting to previous pages viewed and even back to the Chrome homepage.

Returning to the desired page would only last a short time before it happened again. Most annoying when trying to look at the Choice Community and the ABC News.

I tried all the suggestions I could find online to no avail but the problem continued until the PC would totally freeze.

I started using the backup drive until it wanted to install a couple of Windows updates after which it also started freezing.

I tried to do a repair using the copy of Windows 10 I have on a USB drive, but when it would get to the part where it wants either the Product Key for a new installation or click skip for a repair, it would not proceed any further. This happened with both SSD drives.

Inexplicably, the backup drive started behaving itself and I could not see that either of the Windows updates had actually been installed on it.

After allowing it to run successfully for a couple of days, I then ran Paragon disc copy to do a mirror image of the backup drive on the original drive.

I am now running on the original drive without any problems so far but I have absolutely no idea what occured.

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Try running error checking on the drive and check for bad sectors.

You can scan for bad sectors two ways:

  1. Right-click on your hard drive ā€“ select Properties ā€“ choose the Tools tab ā€“ select Check For errors ā€“ scan drive
  2. Open an command prompt window:
  • Go to WIndows Search (Magnifying Glass) ā€“ Type Command Prompt. Open the Command Prompt
  • Change to Drive to be checked by typing the Drive Letter followed by : Such as D:
  • Type (or cut and paste) chkdsk /F /R ā†’ press Enter

Note: 2. may not work on all machines or drives.

If there are bad sectors detected, Windows fix them but should block them from being written to. If there are bad sectors, may mean the drive is on the way out.

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Edge, Edgeā€¦ oh yeh isnā€™t it that app for downloading Chrome (or viewing PDFs)? :wink:

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or Firefox

No, not even.

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When I restarted the PC the next morning, both SSD drives would freeze once again.

I removed both of them and swapped them in turn with the SSD drive in our Sony laptop and they both worked fine.and I then put the laptop drive in the PC and it had the same freezing problem, so it definitely is not a drive problem.

I have checked the RAM and swapped the power supply with the spare I have to no avail, and tomorrow i will remove and reinstall the CPU in case there is a bad contact with one of the million pins, after which I will replace the mainboard.

Of course, there are no new mainboards available for an Intel i5-4590 so I can either gamble on buying a used one online or just bite the bullet as usual and shell out for a new mainboard, CPU, and compatable RAM.

One is tempted to blame the mainboard manufacturers for creating this planned obsolence fiasco but it is obviously the CPU and chipset manufacturers who are holding the strings.

The CPU and chipset manufacturers such as Intel and AMD obviously know that their CPUā€™s are unlikely to fail before mainboards, but when they release new products, they know that the mainboard manufactures will have to update their products, thus leaving consumers in the lurch.

Imagine buying a new vehicle without any spare parts availability in just a few years?

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Have you read this blog?

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Not all Windows 10 computers will be able to be upgraded to Windows 11. You must have a TCM 2.0 chip in the laptop and or computer, and other factors may also make it also not be compatible for windows 11 upgrade. I have a Acer Desktop, it has a TCM 2.0 chip, I had downloaded a comparability, tool everything tested okay, but the CPU, was not compatible, and that was a windows 10 machine.

My HP laptop, I ran the compatibility software on this one, and it all past.

Many people are still using older machines, and even older versions of Windows, even if they say that they do not support it no more, it does not mean that you cant still use it. It just means that Microsoft is no longer making security updates and upgrades to that particular software.

Not to worry, Windows 10 users. Microsoft will be supporting this version until end of 2025.
That is a long time in terms of computer lifetimes.
Maybe no new features once Win11 arrives. Hooray is my opinion.

I havenā€™t looked at the market lately, but IT hardware prices have gone through the roof during the pandemic. Lots of people buying, along with factories having down-time due to infection. You may be better taking the gamble - although your old chip is old! There are some listed on Ebay.

The CPU has a number of pins for communication with the rest of the motherboard. Any time CPU designers come up with a new and fancy thingummy they need a way for it to communicate - so the CPU has pins to make sure it knows how to communicate with an SSD, and to communicate with USB devices, and to allow you to read the CPU temperatureā€¦

I am not sure how many pins my current CPU has, but boxes on the shelf show that my previous two were 1155 and 1151 respectively. No idea why some pins were dropped.

So it is CPU designers who are responsible for you needing to change motherboards on a reasonably regular basis. If I remember correctly AMD changes its pin layouts less often.

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Well itā€™s only getting better from hereā€¦ Win 10 loses support late 2025ā€¦ Then bam. Windows eleven is hereā€¦

Boredom set in so I did a Win10 image and updated to Win11. It updated with a single glitch - manual install (via installation assistant) required ā€˜Run as Adminā€™ to complete. An error at 71% install is documented ā€“ apparently common. Starting again with Run as Admin validates the install files and proceeds, it does not start from the download again.

No obvious worries. Everything seems to work, It looks like some changes were made to improve consistency of menus and settings, and some just because they could. Microsoftā€™s intrusive nature is evident with Teams Chat being a default app - but it can be disabled and removed from the taskbar.

A few customisations did not carry across, notably text sizes and fonts for Windows, but nothing major - yet :wink: Most things work the same while some are different in how they work or at least how they are presented.

It might be heading toward an Android-like management experienceā€¦lots of similarities of approach in ā€˜System Settingsā€™ even though there are clear differences between themā€¦

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Microsoft appear to have had an epiphany?

The second part of the offer comes standard with any new version of Windows.

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Since it was posted a while back and not everyone reads the whole novelā€¦

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I was doing some reading a couple of days ago, about that more laptops and desktops may gradually be added to the compatibility list, as some computer manufactures are making some bios up dates for certain chip sets, that go back to series 6 and 7 cpuā€™s, so nto much use running out buying a new computer just yet. So far I can upgrade only one computer out of the 3 to windows 11

Donā€™t rush to Windows 11, Windows 10 will still be supported for at least five years. Anyone moving to Windows 11 at the moment should consider themselves to be a beta tester for Microsoft, at best.

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Does the conventional wisdom to skip every second Windows release still apply? If one is content with Windows 10 wait until Windows 12. What odds that Win 12 will require a hardware feature not available in todayā€™s tech?

I donā€™t agree with skipping versions, but my rule in maintaining systems software for many businesses over my career is to never install a new version into Production until the first, or even better, second fix release is available.
Let the keen early adopters go through all the pain of finding and reporting bugs and my job was so much easier.

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There are two issues. One being @Gregrā€™s comment about reliability and early bugs suggesting most should wait for a while. As for skipping a major release, it comes with the unquantifiable cost of incremental changes usually delivered in bytesized morsels that are usually easy to digest as compared to the potential for meeting with major changes that could cause consternation to adapt, be it the user experience, compatibility, or both.

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It is mentioned in other topics on the Community but not an obvious hit from a search unless searching on ā€˜WSLā€™, and for those who missed it to date Windows now has linux, aka WSL :slight_smile: ā€“ at least if you install/enable it. Ubuntu by default but pick your own distro.

So many options these days for those who like to play with computers.

Primarily run Windows and use WSL to run Unix programs.
Or run Linux and use something like WINE to run Windows programs.
Or completely virtualise your computer with something like VMware and run multiple instances of both operating systems simultaneously.

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