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Huawei cyber vulnerabilities


A tech company caught out cheating the benchmarks. Who would have ever guessed? :laughing:


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edit: love the sarcasm. :slight_smile:

Getting slightly political but that is the word from the USA, and when one goes all the way with the USA the salute to that claim is all but obligatory. If guilt by connection of Huawei’s founders is the litmus test for product security what could be said about the US companies connections to the US DoD? Could it be ‘the government’ actually caught Huawei doing the same things US companies have been doing since the beginning of time? I would be aghast knowing there was active spying over the airwaves and fibre. :laughing:

I too ‘passed’ my cynicism quiz with virtual zeros but not having signed a confidentiality agreement nor having a suitable clearance and not knowing anything but government assertions it is all conjecture not fact.


I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but I have no doubt we are all being spied upon, from our allies & our not-allies. We have no power to stop them.
Big Brother is watching and taking notes - read the book.


If there’s money to be made by spying, then money will be made by spying. It’s the new world religion. Now China & Russia have joined the religious zealotry. The final score? - Corporations: 1, Citizens: 0.


Our Huawei P6 perhaps gave us the best of both worlds if these posts have substance. An opportunity for Capitalist flavoured Socialism to gather data and thanks to Capitalist flavoured Alphabet-Google-Android, the dark side of our own team.

Even Telstra is guilty of a long term relationship with ZTE who is per the USA in the same team as Huawei.

There is no clear choice of who to trust. The facts are not evident or ever likely to be revealed by any government. This appears to be beyond the average consumer to influence or circumvent.


You cannot trust any complex hardware that you own. As mentioned in another thread, motherboards manufactured in China and destined for large US company computers have been reported to hold small ‘spy’ chips. This is simply copying what the US has been doing for years - as Edward Snowden pointed out.

The fact that we are effectively a colony of the US is shown by our prime minister’s announcement that he’ll consider moving Australia’s embassy in Israel to Jerusalem - just a week or two after the US president opened their new embassy in Jerusalem. (It’s not apartheid if friends are doing it.)

Back to the hardware front, anything you connect to the Internet can be mined for data. I suspect we are only now realising why the US government allowed the Internet to be ‘privatised’ - to the cost of us all.


Second half of the article talks about excluded vendors, and adds some colour (and a little hair) to the picture …

“Historically, we have protected the sensitive information and functions at the core of our telecommunications networks by confining our high-risk vendors to the edge of our networks.

“But the distinction between core and edge collapses in 5G networks. That means that a potential threat anywhere in the network will be a threat to the whole network,” Burgess continued.

“In consultation with operators and vendors, we worked hard this year to see if there were ways to protect our 5G networks if high-risk vendor equipment was present anywhere in these networks.

At the end of this process, my advice was to exclude high-risk vendors from the entirety of evolving 5G networks,” Burgess said.

The comments add a new layer of context to the decision by the government to exclude the Chinese suppliers that came on the last day of Malcolm Turnbull’s Prime Ministership.

“5G technology will underpin the communications that Australians rely on every day, from our health systems and the potential applications of remote surgery, to self-driving cars and through to the operation of our power and water supply,” Burgess said.

“The stakes could not be higher.”

Sounds like a risk trade-off of quantity (limiting) over quality …


Interesting commentary on how 5G technology is expected to be pivotal.

In a previous work life one of our key risks was the potential for plant and equipment control systems to be hacked or compromised. These systems were until quite recently (ten years prior) rigorously separated from business/commercial and external networks.

Gradually the ability of more sophisticated systems to be monitored and controlled from afar typically using SCADA technology have become common place. These systems often also share access with other business systems over more general Ethernet and wireless linked networking.

There may be a lot more at risk than privacy and bank account details if future networks develop as suggested.:thinking:

However if Huawei is a concern, how can any one be sure their competitors are dependable and secure?


I think stories like this are often like icebergs. Consider the implications of what is known, then the implications of what is not common knowledge, either becoming known, or even just that the knowledge itself is known, becoming known. How deep the rabbit hole goes. I guess it isn’t knowledge if it’s not known, but you get the idea.

I reckon there would be a few people working ‘the issues’ …

The first three things on any list of must-have for a secure system - air gap, air gap, air gap - then theres list items four through twenty-something of other externalities - before getting to system, network and device intrinsic’s … it’s a fun game as you and many others I suspect know :wink:


Huawei continues to pop up in the news as the American’s worry; Australia has dutifully saluted.

My cynical nature is beginning to think the real problem with Huawei is that their products are at or above the top of the US manufacturers (or ‘friendlies’) and the US government will not tolerate that as a matter of national security or maintaining its commercial interests.

My suspicion is fuelled by being involved a trade dispute in the 1990’s whereby the underlying issue was a foreign manufacturer had a very high end computer product well beyond what the US manufacturer could produce; by banning the foreign product from the US through punitive taxation its potential market was less than halved. The goal was pushing the foreign vendor out of that business. It worked. It also set a certain US science back about 5 years since they could not get access, but that was another topic.

At the same time the US government poured its money into a competing technology and ‘changed the market’ to one it could win. 20 years later China is pushing the US aside as both a response to the US as well as flexing its own expertise in developing state of the art.

This thing about Huawei smells quite similar to me, excepting the US cannot change the communications market but they can severely handicap players. Research the company and products vis a vis those from the US and make up your own mind what it is probably about. Security? or dominance?


I’m not sure the logical operator needs to be ‘or’. The question of primary intended outcome ‘and’ welcome by-product might be part of the answer … ‘or’ ‘not’ :joy::rofl::joy::rofl:


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Something of which I was ignorant until just now. I have an old Y300 that I wanted to play around with and so began researching ‘rooting’ options. Huawei, it turns out, has locked their bootloaders. They used to provide unlock codes on request, but that stopped several months ago.

Among other things, unlocking allows the knowledgeable to poke around a 'phone’s innards.
[parania mode]
What is Huawei hiding?


Could be something, or just as likely the code that causes them to be accused of recognising benchmarks and upping performance and power drain to get that performance. So many possibilities, including just a new ‘policy’ so they no longer have to deal with code requests. Another possibiity is they are simply wanting to protect their so-called AI component.