The rest periods touted might be OK, but when your place in the queue comes up and you are asleep and lose your place you may be more well rested and fed than anticipated prior to moving on. Nothing that cannot be ‘fixed’ yet remains the reality of BEV vehicles going cross country even when well planned re charging stations.
1 Like
Note the increasing pace of BEV sales. The Tesla Model Y took no 3 spot for new car sales in Sept 2022. It nearly outsold the Ford Ranger and Toyota Hilux utes!
Charging station construction with Tesla’s charging network providing just 260 DC fast chargers nationally is certainly a challenge. Outside the big smoke will those regional centres that can respond gain the benefits of being next for those essential stops?
1 Like
Or if you were being serious, get out the pitchforks and flaming torches and storm the bastions of energy companies who have decided en masse that coal is a dead end for the future.
1 Like
True, we all need to look beyond the hype. The media is also well known for hyping things up to attract more consumers. Are representatives of car dealers a reliable source?
The full sales data for 2022 will be out in the next week. Up until the end of November battery electric vehicle sales were on track to exceed 3% for the year. For November this year,
Sales of battery electric, plug-in hybrid and hybrid vehicles continue to rise with a total of 13,415 zero and low emission vehicles sold in November. These were made up of 4,457 battery electric, 8,529 hybrid and 429 plug-in hybrid vehicles.
That’s from a total of 95080 new vehicle sales for the month. BEV’s made up approx 4.7%. Apologies for relying on a motor dealer connection, the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries for the analysis.
The growth in BEV’s and other zero emissions technologies will change the industry. Tesla does not sell through dealerships. Servicing requirements are minimal. The BYD purchasing experience is on line.
Is it possible the comments on the radio could have been better informed?
Moving to electric vehicles and away from imported petroleum products is one way to make Australia more independent of overseas supply shortages and price shocks. Also how to address many of the concerns raised by @Ratha.
1 Like
I’m pretty sure the transition will not go 100% smoothly but I doubt it will be quite that bad. In any case there is no choice now as no energy company will build a new coal fired power station and the old ones are wearing out rapidly. The Canavans of this world who want the government to build them are not going to be heard. So we had best put some effort into the transition and avoid hiccups as much as possible.
I find myself sitting in the dark due to blackouts quite often for reasons having nothing to do with climate, EVs or power stations and if I sing a little ditty I feel better.
Things are crook in Tallarook
And there’s no work in Burke
Or we could try:
Raise the scarlet standard high
Beneath its folds we’ll live and die
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer
We’ll keep the red flag flying here
But I can’t find my gas mask and the Men’s Shed has no plans for building barricades.
2 Likes
would that be because Toyota doesn’t sell any electric cars in Australia right now? Why would a Toyota dealer recommend a car they don’t profit from?
As for the ‘2%’ sales claim, one reason for that is lack of models available in Australia. Most EV cars are selling as fast as they can make them, so it makes sense for the supplier to sell them in the regions with the most incentives. Or the regions where it’s harder to sell petrol cars (eg emission standards).
5 Likes
Some prospects of a few more choices. Aside from several more city friendly vehicles, increased battery capacity and claimed ranges of around 500km are part of the mix.
What’s missing in the mix are options for light commercial vehicles. A market segment where the greatest, fuel, emissions and cost savings per vehicle (capital tax deductible) can be delivered.
2 Likes
South Korea fines Tesla for exaggerating driving range of its EVs in cold temperatures
South Korea’s antitrust regulator says it will impose a 2.85 billion won ($3.28 million) fine on Tesla for failing to tell its customers about the shorter driving range of its electric vehicles (EVs) in low temperatures.
1 Like
The concerning state is…
The driving range of the US EV manufacturer’s cars plunge in cold weather by up to 50.5 per cent versus how they are advertised online, the KFTC said in a statement on Tuesday.
and
In 2021, Citizens United for Consumer Sovereignty, a South Korean consumer group, said the driving range of most EVs drop by up to 40 per cent in cold temperatures when batteries need to be heated, with Tesla suffering the most, citing data from the country’s environment ministry.
It appears that both cold temperatures itself and preheating of batteries impacts on available battery capacity for driving range.
This substantially changes the economics of BEV in cooler climates.
The optimum temperature for li-ion battery (discharge and recharge) performance is 20-30°C. Less than that, preheating may occur, especially when temperatures are subzero. Likewise when temperatures exceed 45°C, battery cooling may occur to preserve battery life. This website explains it more…
Preheating and/or cooling could be expected to occur in many parts of Australia, impacting on manufacturer claimed battery ranges.
1 Like
Kentucky!
An alternate source, Consumer Reports suggested 20% reduction citing Norwegian experience.
Further news is 79.3% of new vehicle sales in Norway in 2022 were EV’s.
‘Norway hits record EV share in 2022
Noted that in the Korean experience one of the biggest selling ‘not made in Korea’ BEV’s are Teslas. Also supposedly more significantly affected by extreme cold. What prospect with Global Warming Australia will experience a Kentucky winter or Norwegian Arctic like chill?
P.S.
It’s interesting that Kentucky offers two extremes ranking 49th in the US for EV infrastructure, while featuring big in the manufacture of batteries and EV’s.
The best answer to how significant will come from the real world testing of the more reputable motoring publications and state automobile organisations. It’s a similar scenario to petrol consumption figures for ICE vehicles. Real world driving typically uses more fuel, and gives less range.
For those in and around Sydney this weekend.
Post Covid there is the return of the caravan shows, boating shows, home shows, gardening expos, and many other interests on a regular basis.
One more to add to the list that has found mainstream interest.
1 Like
Commercialisation of a new type of rechargeable battery, to be used in BEV’s, and for other applications.
The vehicles will use sodium-ion battery packs plus a lower capacity lithium battery to support peak power demands. Sodium-ion batteries have numerous advantages compared to lithiium-ion. Most importantly not using lithium, while being cheaper to produce.
The commercialisation of sodium ion batteries by 2 of the largest rechargeable battery manufacturers is a significant step. The lower cost of production opens up further opportunities for home batteries, and large scale grid storage.
CATL first-generation sodium-ion cells cost about 77 USD per kWh, and the second generation with volume production can drop to 40 USD per kWh.
2 Likes
A post was merged into an existing topic: Car theft : relay hacking key-less entry cars and how to avoid it
Reliability is usually an interesting part of vehicle evaluations. The US market varies from the Australian market, as does the list of major players with us having more Chinese brands on offer, but will ‘we’ have a different experience? I have not seen a similar report but look forward to one.
1 Like
Buying a new car? Here’s how cheaper batteries and new emissions regulations will affect the price
The power packs, which account for about half the cost of an EV, declined in price every year from 2013 until 2020, when COVID struck.
This led to optimistic forecasts that EVs could be sold at the price of their ICE alternatives by 2025.
Then the pandemic hit, supply chains suffered, and batteries became more expensive.
But in 2023, production (mostly in China) ramped back up, and the average sales price fell 14 per cent over the course of the year, according to Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
2 Likes
