We can agree to disagree on that. The comment was not just about safety standards. Your lens varies from my own.
It really depends who you beleive. Some car manufacturers (those trying to market EVs in Australia) have been claiming that inferior vehicles in technology, engines etc are being dumped in Australia. They are right to make any claims they wish but vehicles are not being dumped. The vehicles received in Australia have not been rejected by other countries and therefore dumped in Australia.
The vehicles sold in the Australian market meets current standards and laws to allow their sale. While some of Australiaâs standards are not that of say the EU for emissions, there are many countries where vehicles can be sold with far lower standards that that required in Australia.
The use of the word âdumpedâ indicates some conspiracy or intention for manufacturers to export vehicles not accepted by any other countryâŠsend them to Australia to get rid of them. This is incorrect as the same vehicles, models and makes are also available for sale in other countries, including the EU. Some countries however have higher emission standards which means that they also sell small ICE engines (such as three pot screamers - turbo charged 3 cylinder engines) so that lower average vehicle emissions can be achieved.
It is also worth noting that Australia rejects the import of vehicles from many countries as are unable to meet our existing standards and laws. Examples are those which donât meet emission levels from China, Indian and other large vehicle manufacturing nations as well as those which donât meet our safety requirements (either manufacturers or models which donât comply).
The word âdumpâ is deliberately and misleadingly used to create emotion and try and sway the community to place pressure on the government to change its policies so that some car manufacturers can have competitive advantages over others.
Semantics are what they are. âDumpedâ is not a word any manufacturer uses. Perhaps âallocatedâ is more attractive a word in their dialogues.
Australia is often âallocatedâ technologies (not focusing only on vehicles) that is at the end of or beyond its use-by date in the âprime time worldâ. My 2017 build French car is âstate of the artâ 2019 (eg meets our 2019 standards and has a pretty badge to confirm it).
Donât agree it is common? You do not have to. The products available to us as compared to those in other markets often speak for themselves as to where they are on the continuum.
It is worth searching VW and dumped. Dumping of vehicles in Australia is something that VW allegesâŠas it is trying to gain support from governments to subsidise and regulate the use of EVsâŠto which outlined in an earlier post VW has bet its business on. VW is the same company that âdumpedâ diesel vehicles around the world resulting in dieselgate.
Please provide examples. Vehicle models which are available in the EU for example are available in Australia. Technologies for emission control are the same. The same engines, the same safety specifications.
As outlined in my previous post, to meet lower average EU emissions, car manufacturers also produce very small turbo charged ICE engines so that the average vehicle emission levels can be achieved. The same vehicles can be sold in Australia, noting that some smaller ICE engines are sold by some manufacturers.
Iâll leave this as we are having disparate discussions. Yours focusing only on vehicles as I interpret it, and mine a general statement about our market.
Just on emissions standards our newest vehicles are required to meet Euro V standards not Euro VI standards.
And from the FCAI
"So, while the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries (FCAI) supports the introduction of a CO2 standard relevant to the Australian market and the introduction of âEuro 6â exhaust emission standards, in the meantime, the poor quality of fuel sold at Australian service stations will continue to be the number one issue influencing outcomes across the board in this space.
Indeed âEuro 6â has several stages and is dependent on petrol meeting European standard EN228 and diesel meeting EN590. New compact cars already heading to market will simply not meet the initial stage until weâre filling their tanks with European standard fuel â in fact, the Toyota Corolla Hybrid and Mazda 3 2.0-litre petrol now sold in Australia have de-tuned engines to operate with our fuel standards"
Plus their take on BEVs & Hydrogen fuelled in Australia and what mostly is needed and why uptake is slow to progress
"Clearly zero-emission vehicles - including battery electric vehicles and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles - will increasingly populate our roads as they are developed by international parent companies. But, without Government market intervention on a scale seen in other countries, it will be the mid-late 2020s before sales of these sorts of vehicles will rise beyond the current level of less than 2.0 per-cent of the national total.
Whatâs the barrier? The Governments mostly Federal but also those who Tax Alternate Energy Vehicles and create a disincentive for their uptake thus an incentive to continue with current and greater polluting Fossil Fuelled Vehicles.
Who does this support more? The Fossil Fuel Businesses.
More bluntly put by FCAI and it offers support of @PhilTâs assertion of lacking progress or up to date Cars is the following
"Until this is achieved [Euro 6 Standard Fuel], Australian new car buyers â many currently welded to historic 91 RON fuel - will not be able to purchase vehicles with the latest engine and exhaust technology. In essence, engines in new cars sold in Australia will be those powering similar vehicles sold in 3rd world countries with similar fuel standards and, due to the declining numbers of cars produced for these markets, engines will increasingly become more expensive.
Why? Because global automotive companies are now focusing on the development of engine/exhaust technologies applicable to large markets (India and China) and advanced markets (Europe, USA and North Asia)âŠmarkets with fuel standards much higher than Australia."
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Due to Australiaâs limited size, some products which donât sell that well and are in warehouses can be sold some time after new models are released overseas. Often some manufacturers donât release the newer models until such time that they have shifted most of their remaining stock. This doesnât mean Australia is getting inferior products, it is manufacturerâs selling remaining stock before releasing new stock.
Detuning is very different to dumping inferior products in the Australian market. While Australia has room to move in relation to setting that same fuel and emission standards in some countries, the Corollas and Mazdas are no different to those sold in the EU or other countries. Same safety, same motors, same interiors, same recyclability etc. The only difference is the engine computer softwareâŠwhere the change could be reversed at some point if similar fuel quality standards were achieved to that to which is is designed.
It is also worth noting that the same detuning possibly also occurs where these cars are send to other markets (countries). It isnât unique to Australia.
It will only be time that Australia also moves to Euro 6 or other higher standards.
We have been here beforeâŠwe should not go back⊠And I really do understand marketing/clearing inventory/etc/etc issues.
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There are parts of the EU pushing for a faster phase out of FF powered ICE vehicles. Germany because of itâs heavy reliance on Motor Vehicle manufacture is not keen as it tries to eke every last dollar it can out of petroleum powered cars. The Netherlands who are a major sponsor of the fast path push feel that the EU needs to be well and truly Green powered by 2030 or so. We will look like, maybe even be, their 3rd World cousins with our gas guzzlers.
The Euro 7 Standard should be approved by the end on this year and in force by 2025
Euro 7 is seen as the last FF standard before no more FF fuelled cars are made in the EU.
The current Euro 6 Standard came into force in 2015 and we still lag that by 6 years, and worse we are still on Euro 5 which came into force in 2011 (a decade ago and we havenât managed to get past that stage).
Going by that movement we may have hit stage 6 by the time EU is on full non FF transport production. What the latest Australian FF car will look like then will be a dinosaur to the tech EU will be using.
Currently at least 10% of vehicles sold EU wide are Green powered (mostly electric), while we push to reach 2%. We already lag and with current Govt support (or really lack thereof) we will will be even further behind and stuck with a FF economy in a non FF World stage.
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Perhaps this is a teaser for the 2035 HoldenOn?
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Too modern I feel, perhaps a colony of single cell protoplankton is more apt. 
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Spotted this the other day, too. It would be perfect as an upgrade to my 20 year old suzuki ignis. Cant get it here as far as I know.
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Not available, although it will be available to the US market. Aside from the steering wheel being on the wrong side, itâs a great size for around town. The slightly retro styling appeals. The slightly larger K23 has a more contemporary wrapper?
Car advice are being cheeky with âworldâs cheapest electric carâ. They are quoting US prices after rebates or subsidies.
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Yikes. Looking at those prices, assuming it ever makes it over here, add more $$ for import duties⊠well out of my range. Its back to the mobility scooter drawing board for me. Donât know how much longer the Ignis will last and it is beginning to cost a lot to keep it on the road⊠and I simply cannot afford to replace it with another car. and I really donât want to have to rely on friends for getting to shop, doctor, hairdresser etc. Oh well, thats life.
We might need to disagree about whether 2027 is really of any relevance.
Hyundai (itâs those Koreans again) is continuing to introduce new electric vehicles to the Australian market.
The coming 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5, (58kWh, 72.6kWh batteries) is a serious challenger for range compared to the Tesla 3 offerings, at a lesser price. No need to guess which has the better build quality?
The current Ioniq EV Elite itâs superseding achieved 300km around town from a 38kWh battery.
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More options?
Subaruâs first BEV the Solterra to be released in 2022 along side a similar Toyota, on a shared EV platform.
Subaru indicated it will be releasing the model in the USA, Canada, Europe and Japan. No comment on release in Australia, although there is obviously a RHD model.
Toyota has already announced the intention to release their first EV in Australia, for the premium end of the market.
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Now this is a real EV.
For those considering, lusting, or ready to order⊠part 1, Alfa to GM
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An overview of why we have limited choices, as well as expensive ones. Who would have thought one could do a parallel import (OK, slightly used or near new depending on outlook) from Japan and save in the order of 20%. (figurative question, the Australia tax, no comment required.)
Unpredictable parts and service issues might make up for it, but it demonstrates some demand for better EVs.
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