Solar and Grid Connections

I was bit by the power shedding exercise for 2 hours.

The following item is less sensationalist and what happened in VIC. Seems those old reliable coal fired generators the coalition touts as being ‘gold standard’ had failures and one was brilliantly under maintenance. One always schedules maintenance during extreme weather forecasts when one probably needs them, right?

Anyone who makes it political should be pointing the finger at pollies living in the 1950’s and serving their donors rather than us as the first point of pointing. It also demonstrates how we can rely on private enterprise to make a robust system, oops, I mean a lowest cost system that maximises profits and minimises expenditures…

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But potentially biased.

The ABC and some other media has been slient on the other issue that occurred, the wind generation was about 15% of capacity, due to low wind conditions also occuring during the heat wave. This created an environment where there was more relianace on traditional generation such as bydro, coal, gas and in the case of SA, high response, low efficiency diesel generation.

AEMO also had approved the overdue maintenance of the coal generators which were off line at the time of the heatwave. AEMO has acknowledged that at the time of the approval to remove from service, they did not expect a heatwave/weather conditions which prevailed late last week. They also indicate that the coal generators which went off line during the heatwave conditons was due to (over) heating issues…it will be interesting what caused this but suspect that it could be from a number of factirs such as ambient air temperatures, maximum generator load conditions (near overload?) and maybe overdue maintenance (possibly resulting from higher reliance on these generator to support the network).

Like other major outage/network events, AEMO will investigate the network (and generation) problems during last week’s heatwave and will issue an report outlining the problems and potential solutions. There is unlikely to be one problem but many that lead to the curtailing of supply to major users to free up supply on the network and load shedding of residential and commercial customers. Until the report is finalised and made public, much in the media and spoken by our politicians will be speculation and to potentially push a political agenda.

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If the truth on any matter comes out, the media are the second last to know, and we punters the last. If.

My optimistic view is the true story might be heard only by people who have good friends “in the know” and if they are good friends, they won’t risk their jobs by spreading the true story :wink: I have a cynical view as well :slight_smile:

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Agree. But sometime the media relies on their unreliable ‘good friends’ with opinions which suit their own agendas.

The wind generation generation capacity plus some other thoughts was sent to me by a ‘good friend’ who I worked with when in the electricity network industry. His final comment was also to wait until the AEMO incident report.

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As do most or at least many of us commentators :wink:

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100% reliable assessment.

As an insider might suggest, power generation is only unreliable when you need it most!

You might also expect that as the load on the network increased, load management would have been implemented before the two generating sets went off line?

There are at least two unknowns waiting on answers.
.1 what were the real technical reasons for each of the two generators to go off line?
.2 how was the grid load being managed by the network manager prior to each generator going off line?

A wild guess is someone has made a bad call, or worse some one has directed the system operated without due consideration.

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IRENA published a 2017 report on the cost of various Renewable energy sources (most compared to fossil fuel generation). It has a good breakdown of the various components of both the costs (including LCOE) and benefits:

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Another article regarding Australia’s electricity distribution network being unable to cope with the massive amount of renewable energy projects coming down the pipeline.

If only we had governments who could actually do something to solve these sorts of issues.

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It is both the transmission and distribution networks.

The transmission networks are the highways of the electricity grid to move large amounts of energy large distances…between the generators and the consumers. The east coast grid is also interlinked to allow flow from low demand areas (where there is excess generation or supply) to high demand areas (where there is insufficient generation or supply to meet the local demand).

Traditionally generators have been near the energy source or on main routes for its transportation (e.g. large coal generators in the Hunter Valley next to coal mines or Gladstone Power Station on the train route between the mines and port). Generators also have been traditionally located away from population centres as they are seen as inconsistent with residential/urban land uses.

Renewables typically are less constrained in relation to location (can be close to urban centres through to more remote locations where there is less land use conflict or competition). In many locations where renewables are proposed there is either insufficient free capacity on the existing transmission line network (meaning that additional generation could overload the regional network) or in locations where there is no transmission network and the local low capacity distribution network is relied upon for transmitting the electrical energy (possibly ineffectively as it is not what it is designed to do).

The costs for a renewable generator to plug into a transmission network can be significant, $100s millions as transformation to high voltage is required and also switching equipment (namely a HV substation). Add in power line between the generators and the substation, the costs mount up very quickly).

When it is often said that renewables are cheaper than traditional generation types, this does not include the connection costs for the renewables to the main grid. These costs can make be a multiplier of the costs of renewable generation, especially where the renewable generation is lower capacity than traditional sources which is very iften the case. The network connection component of the total renewable costs to deliver it to the consumer can make the costs quite expensive. These costs are flattened out by spreading the network costs across the whole of the network and over all consumers.

When working in the industry, during early feasibility states with renewable generators, it was often discussed to reduce network costs to both the generator and to consumers that any new generation (new or traditional technologies) be located a close as practicable to existing HV substations, to minimise the whole of network costs.

While this is possible for say solar (e.g. solar farm near the substation built for Collinsville powers station, often wind is located some distance from the existing network resulting in high connection costs (impacting on consumer network charges).

There are also many other renewable generators which ignore the advice of the regulator (AER), network operator (AEMO) or the transmission/distribution companies and locate their facilities based on their own business decisions which may not be best placed in relation to the existing and future network configuration to minimise network costs.

It is possible that some of businesses which are crying foul may be those who invest large sums of money ignoring the advice of the industry, and then finding that the location they have chosen for their generators is not optimum from a network point of view. Such could have been avoided by consulting with the industry in the feasibility stages and also making decisions that benefit the consumer by minimising overall network costs (which are passed down to the consumer through network charges).

While the government can solve the problems, it may come at considerable costs. It would have been easier for the companies proposing a new generation to plan for an optimised connection rather than hoping the local network has the capacity an ability to provide a cost effective solution at the late stages of a projects development.

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I have always thought that placing a renewable energy generator on site or near an old coal/gas/oil generator that has been removed would have made a lot of sense regarding transmission. All the lines etc would be in place and would cope. This from what I have seen has not been the outcome. We miss so many chances to do it better/smarter. Perhaps my thoughts on re-use of these sites is unfeasible but has any worthwhile research been done on it? I would also imagine that building the plants, maintenance etc would be enhanced by the already well trained local ex power station and transmission company employees.

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Some challenging observations @phb.

Is the industry looking at itself using the current network and generation design paradigm?

Or should the industry have the vision laid before it, and be asked to deliver?

It appears we are trapped in the past if the industry continues to apply conventional thinking. Might it also serve to ensure the status quo is retained between the vested interests, or at least ensures they retain control over any future change?

P.S.
I suspect a far more complex technical explanation might be appropriate. The following is not!

The capacity of the network at the point of connection any new generation is only one consideration. Depending on capacity it may not be a significant concern at all.

The overall grid stability observed through voltage/frequency regulation and load balancing cannot be considered in isolation to the design and operation of the whole of the national grid including local distribution. There is a need to integrate all grid connected local generation and storage.

Nominally more distributed generation around the network at community level should serve to ease the load on the main interconnects. Increased local generation (eg household PV, business premises PV and small scale solar farms) also need solutions. Typically for technical reasons other than line capacity.

My perception. Some of the politically and industry motivated conversation appears to be dumbing down reality. For us poor consumers the battle between the vested interests may lead to more poor and ill considered outcomes. Misdirected and waste capital expenditure.

Perhaps there is some considered expert opinion out there that offers a more comprehensive and balanced solution. I wonder?

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Bring on much more of the Micro-Grid conversation and action I say.

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I think we ought to credit planners with enough sense to think of that.

Most of our generators by capacity are coal and they were placed near coal measures and water. The latter pretty well rules out solar which is usually sited where it is dry and skies are clear. It would be quite a coincidence if coal was found where it is windy and coal measures are usually in valleys not on hills so you won’t get too many wind turbines working well there.

I suggest that connection was/is taken into account in locating renewable power stations but it has to come second to where the power is available.

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Re siting of solar and power stations, the main determinant is the available resource- wind speed at hub height for wind farms, and kWh/m^2/day for solar. Lack of suitable grid connection capacity within a reasonable distance rules out most of the country, but even in areas of good renewable energy resource with relatively dense population such as around NW Victoria’s Rhombus of Regret, the grid just does not have sufficient capacity for significant renewable generation.
Keep in mind that most of the generation and grid infrastructure in Australia has already been paid for by taxpayers (then some sold off by governments to raise revenue), so it is a bit disingenuous to say new solar and wind farms should be paying for the extra transmission infrastructure.
Existing centralised generation areas such as the Hunter Valley in NSW and Latrobe Valley in Victoria are pretty terrible sites for solar farms due to the amount of cloud they suffer. There may be some nearby areas suitable for wind farms, but there seems to be a lot more opposition to them in populated areas for various reasons. Toxic coal dust and toxic smoke don’t seem to be quite so objectionable!
Some renewable generation is constructed to sell directly to the National Electricity Market, and take whatever price is on offer or bid (sometimes $negative when lots of renewable energy is being produced, and fossil fuel generators don’t want to shut down), or else have Power Purchase Agreements with companies or governments to purchase some or all of their output. It doesn’t really matter where the generation is located, however, recently a lot of remote renewable generators have had their payments for energy reduced, as they are basically charged for the losses in transmission through the inadequate grid infrastructure.

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In regards to the Hunter Valley I’m not sure how the project in the following article has progressed but they may have seen the transmission infrastructure from the power stations as a benefit to their program/development from the mention made in the article. This sort of project is why I hoped we may have sought better outcomes from those sites. I am sure the new use would also help create rehab of the area as it feeds money into the local economy (rehab both of land and jobss/hope for better futures for locals).

https://www.pv-magazine.com/2018/11/15/nsw-australia-in-line-for-4-gw-solar-wind-and-battery-hybrid-project/

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It is not an either or to locate renewable generation. Even if built in a locale where the generation is diminished against peak ability it is a step ahead.

A solar or wind farm running at half capacity because of local issues, but economically connected to a grid that can easily support it, is better than the idealistic installation somewhere near Bourke where there is insufficient transmission infrastructure.

Hard arguments about any solution not being optimised or nearing a perfect ideal that inhibits progress seem counterproductive. It sometimes needs to be a case of some small wobbly steps rather than no big steps.

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That is only one potential and opportunistic connection point.

There are also many HV substations located near high energy users such as mines and foundries, near other generation types such as hydro, at various locations along the eastern HV network such as those outside regional centres to supply electricity to these centres or within the backbone network to improve line stability (substation built specifically with SVCs, reactors or capacitor banks).

There are a significant number of location opportunities a generator can exploit to minimise connection/network costs and also maximise the potential export of energy to the main grid.

The AEMO website has a map showing the general location of these substations (use the left hand Electricity Network dropdown to select Transmission Substations). These substations are scattered widely along the eastern coast where the transmission line network resides.

This may not be effective for large scale generation which has a significant cost advantage over small scale generation. Where large scale generation line that which is being developed not only in Australia but many other countries, long distance transmission is still needed to transport the energy from the generator to that part of the network which need support due to high demand or low local supply.

From discussing micro-grids with former colleagues, they are possibly best suited to consumers near the end of the existing networks where the supply can be less reliable and/or the cost to support additional demand through say population growth, is very costly (could be seen as being cost prohibitive). In some respects they already exist in Australia, such as Mt Isa and other regional centres not connected to the main grid.

Australia in some respects had primitive micro-grids in a regional level before the 1970s where state wide tansmission lines were constructed to link regional networks. In the 1990s on a east cost . these state transmission grids were interconnected to develop the main grid between Cairns and Melbourne (and SA/Tas). The main purpose of the main grid was to reduce generation redundancy and cost in the network from meeting the N-1 reliability standard on a regional by regional or state by state level to ensure that there was sufficient generation at all times to meet the network’s peak demand. The expansion of the transmission network allowed excess generation to flow to another region/state during peak demands in the other region/state.

The interconnectors (maybe with exception of VIC-SA) are bi-flow lines where electricity can flow in either direction when needed to satisfy demand in another state.

One of the challenges to overcome with micro-grids is that the network may become fragmented, more costly (as both existing mass flow will be required with a higher cost local network - considerable monies have been spend in the past 15 years replacing end of life assets from the 1960s/1970s which has resulted in higher network charges …and these new assets will have a design life of 50+ years) and potentially less reliable (as micro-grids could connect from the main grid during periods of instability, potentially exacerbating the instability problem.

While they may be an option in some areas, they may not be a fit for all approach to the whole of the network where cheaper large scale new generation is relied upon to meet future energy needs.

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It is too. Importing 359MW from the Vic side at 2:35 today and currently (12:35) exporting back to Vic and beyond at 459MW.

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That is actually being done at Collinsville in NQ at the site of the old Collinsville coal-fired power station.

http://ratchaustralia.com/collinsville/about_collinsville.html

They already had the switchyard and connection to the 132KV transmission network and it does not rain very much out there.

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I agree. The failure to use transmission & distribution resources as they exist is a waste of the money and time already spent in providing this infrastructure. If we also await the decisions to build in the perfect spots we can often miss the chance to benefit from the time savings of what is already in place. Why does the generation have to be the perfect profit maker, RE is free as far as source goes, the profit may be reduced compared to having the plants in better places but what stops that larger generator being built finally. Being close to the network as it exists now also benefits us in distance based power losses as pointed out by @gordon in his post when he wrote “recently a lot of remote renewable generators have had their payments for energy reduced, as they are basically charged for the losses in transmission through the inadequate grid infrastructure”.

We always seem to also fall back to if it is small it is not good enough so we need to build huge/bigger generation to meet the needs. This bigger generation ends up being corporate and seems to/does take the ownership of the resource out of the hands of every day users. As @phb addresses in his post, the cost of small scale is not as cost effective as large scale. This is important but so is having power when you need it, cost of implementation can often become a very secondary concern. The ability of “islanding” a community in times of disaster or supply failure can be much more important than the financial impost of adding micro-grids to a larger central system. Much like the way the internet allows multiple ways of connecting to sites, if one arm fails in a large system then you lose all downstream service from that arm until that arm is repaired, if you have many interconnected paths the result can be largely mitigated ie it helps reliability & resilience of supply/service.

https://www.districtenergy.org/HigherLogic/System/DownloadDocumentFile.ashx?DocumentFileKey=6b333d04-0eb1-5a74-946b-60076404465d&forceDialog=0

https://www.engie.com/en/businesses/microgrids-decentralized-energy/

California through their Energy Commission will require from Jan 1 2020 (from Title 24):

"14.Photovoltaic Requirements.

All low-rise residential buildings shall have a photovoltaic (PV) system meeting the minimum qualification requirements as specified in Joint Appendix JA11, with annual electrical output equal to or greater than the dwelling’s annual electrical usage as determined by Equation150.1-C:

EQUATION 150.1-C ANNUAL PHOTOVOLTAIC ELECTRICAL OUTPUT
kWPV = (CFA x A)/1000 +(NDwell x B )
WHERE:kWPV= kWdc size of the PV system
CFA= Conditioned floor area
NDwell = Number of dwelling units
A = Adjustment factor from Table 150.1-C
B = Dwelling adjustment factor from Table 150.1-C"

This is also part of a much wider law to increase the energy efficiency of buildings. They are also building huge batteries to reliably supply 24 Hr power in areas but the plan I think is go go State wide as tech progresses…

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