Secrecy, privacy, security, intrusion

That may be so but then what business is it of an authoritarian (or otherwise) government to dictate to a foreign company how it operates?

I understand that said government can do that - based on all the coercive measures available to it.

Case in point: China demands that Qantas list flights to Taiwan as being flights to China (Chinese territory).

However the internet blurs those lines. Governments are fighting for, and sometimes getting, local relevance - in a world where app user (customer), app store server, phone manufacturer, app author, app authorā€™s server, peer, ā€¦ may all be located in different countries, and may change country in a millisecond in the case of the server locations.

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Taken to its extreme, why do foreign companies pay Australian GST?

Of course we do not need to go that far. The Australian government rates all films that come into the country - and if a film does not fit the ratings then it cannot legally be shown here. So we donā€™t get to watch movies featuring rapists and child porn - is this a bad thing?

In the online world, Australia has rather restrictive anti-piracy laws. Websites can be and are blocked from Australia. Personally I think that copyright and patent protection laws have gone way too far, but I still obey the laws of my country when it comes to buying movies, for instance - even if said movie was made fifty years ago and none of the people who made it or appeared in it are still alive.

Sure the Internet blurs borders to some extent, but governments are fighting back - and largely winning.

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Nothing new, but from an interesting source. Iā€™m sure most of the privacy minded individuals in this thread donā€™t need to read this. :slight_smile:

Or direct to the document, USA NSA advisory - Limiting Location Data Exposure (pdf)

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I love that the document talks about what to do to secure your location data ā€œfor a particular missionā€. Exactly who is being targeted here?

Of course, there is a very simple way to ensure your mobile phone does not track you everywhere you go - leave it at home.

That Ars Technica article was handy. I learned that I had not disabled personalised ads, and had too many apps seeking location data.

Unfortunately, I suspect the average new car probably has enough smarts to track its user - and my car is going to need replacing sometime in the next decade.

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I leave location services on, but deactivate it for all but necessary apps. As for airplane modeā€¦ thats fine if you donā€™t want to make or receive calls, but if your mobile device is your only phoneā€¦ not really an option. Clearly, the article and its recommendations are aimed at NSA operatives and the like.

We turn it off unless we need it. The first reason is to stop apps tracking our location and also for battery drain.

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Iā€™m running an app called Where Have I Been and naturally that needs to be on all the time. It actually doesnt seem to use much battery at all. Why would I want it? I was thinking about what I would do if contact tracers wanted to know what I had been doing and where I had been over the past couple of weeks, and realised that my memory just isnt good enough anymore. Iā€™m home most of the time but other than thatā€¦ I would not remember. So whib helps.

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And by stating this you have confirmed that you use an iPhone (it apparently isnā€™t available for iPad or for Android). The app has five ratings! That is a tiny install base, and I would not trust an app that does not have a much larger audience. On the bright side, the publisher does have another app to its name - Arithmetic Fun, with two ratings.

Things cannot get worse, can they? Well, the companyā€™s website (which does not use HTTPS) bears the title ā€œPage not found | Bleat Inc.ā€ When I click the link from Arithmetic Fun - Where Have I Been takes the user to the home page. The website is driven by WordPress.

Oh, and ā€˜our teamā€™ consists of two people.

Your app is probably fine, but it is not one I would put on any of my devices.

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No app has many ratings when its new, ( tho now i see it isnt new, does not alter anything) and i have many apps with a small team. I am happy to install an app which does not require me to sign up at an external website or store my ā€œtracksā€ there. Also, the ratings have been reset so we dont nnow hiw many there are. There are 5 reviews, not everyone who rates, bothers to write anything.

Steve Jobs was a team once. If everyone felt as you do, his motherā€™s garage is where it would have ended.

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ā€˜Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were a team onceā€™ - ā€˜business tycoonā€™ (to be incredibly polite and generous) and ā€˜humble technical geniusā€™ ā€¦ :wink:

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Absolutely. However my point remains. You cant just dismiss things because theres only a couple of people working on them. The ā€œteamā€ associated with my choice of bill management apps is one guy.

[edit] actually Jobs was not a business tycoon at that stage so you werent being very polite at all. He was a kid. They had a great idea. The business end was managed (eventually) by tim Cook and it shows, now, because nobody with a regular income can afford to buy Mac. Jobs was a marketing man, but much better than our Scotty.

ā€¦ actually I was being very polite. Jobs ā€˜was a kidā€™ of 18 when he hid the bonus from Wozniak that they received from Atari for the breakout board chip-count optimisation, a bonus that came in its entirety from the technical brilliance of Wozniak even though they agreed to split the returns. While he might not have ascended to the lofty heights of ā€˜business tycoonā€™ at that stage, it is my view he displayed well developed ā€˜behavioural qualitiesā€™ that served his ascension and associated fandom well.

There are many ways to tell the same story - and with wealth, for better or worse, truth seems often one of the major casualties.

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So it seems

Maybe not, but there is some sense in the term ā€˜bleeding edgeā€™.

And Iā€™m paranoid.

Edit: wait, no Iā€™m not - the universe really is trying to kill me!

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I am the sameā€¦while I embrace new technologies and products, I often wait a reasonable time before adopting. I would rather others face the problems with the products/services and hope most are sorted by the time I join the crowd. Being one of the first cabs off the rank in relation to technology may mean that one becomes part of beta testing (in relation to conflicts, bugs, security issues etc).

When I was younger, it didnā€™t worry meā€¦but as one gets older, the last thing needed to spending valuable time sorting out problems which may arise.

But as they say, someone has to do it, but it wonā€™t be me.

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Yes. From the document itself - to clarify the exact target:

While the guidance in this document may be useful to a wide range of users, it is intended primarily for NSS/DoD system users.

So it is primarily targeted at intelligence and military personnel.

Thatā€™s all good. While people in those jobs face unusual risks, that we do not, the general advice and the awareness that this document creates are useful for everyone.

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Another (completely unrelated) Apple ā€œmonopolyā€ story: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-14/apple-removes-fortnite-from-the-app-store-prompting-a-lawsuit/12557530

This one might have legs.

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Apple has used the app store as an income stream since it was able to offer apps. I am pretty sure it has faced down challenges like this in the past - the question is whether those challengers had the deep pockets of a company like Epic Games - or the regulatory clout of a European Union.

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Worth watching the original Apple ad and the Epic Games parody of it in the link.

I guess the ABC will be in Appleā€™s sights shortly for daring to have iView.

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A very interesting article regarding ASIO.

The part about dismantling a vehicle and reassembling it inside the building reminded me of the story a neighbour told me over 50 years ago about when he was studing electrical engineering at uni.

One very unpopular student went away during the holidays and left his Mini Minor in the carpark, but when he returned it was not there.

Much to his shock, when he entered his room, there was his car fully reassembled, which apparently took him the rest of the year to remove.

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