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#47

Thank you, @phb.
I’m flying Cathay Pacific, all the bookings and reservations have been paid for and are confirmed.
I do hope they can come up with alternatives if necessary.

But I also have the problem that I’ve booked a short tour of HKG after the China one.
I can only hope that all the unrest will be resolved by then🤞


#48

What is currently happening will be called that by the government in China. “terrorist” is used by governments when it suits them, not so much when it suits us.

Best to look closely at your travel insurance regarding “war”. If a zillion PLA soldiers come storming across the border in order to suppress the unrest (for a time), it would be difficult to describe that as “terrorism”.


#49

@Gaby
Also Civil Unrest or Civil War whether declared or not are usually exclusions from cover. Riots can also be defined in policies as being Civil Unrest. I would be checking with your Travel Agent now if you can make alternative arrangements rather than risk those particular parts of your travel.

Currently on DFAT HK is rated as Reconsider need to Travel with a rating of 3 on the slider (which maxes at 4 which is do not travel).


#50

Thank you, @grahroll, I’m sure that my travel agent and Wendy Wu tours will
find other ways to get to the mainland
rather than cancel my booking.
Also, my HKG short tour can be rescheduled if things have not be resolved by then.
The China tour starts 1st of September and ends about 2 weeks later. Then I’m booked for the HKG tour for 5 days.
A bit of time yet to wait and see, I think.
Although it’s very annoying, there’s
nothing I can do, I booked in May and I don’t think there was anything happening
then.


#51

No, @person, my insurance doesn’t cover
‘war’. Just as a matter of interest, given
that HKG is a Special Administrative Region of China, would sending soldiers in be an Act of War?:thinking:


#52

It could be “civil war”.

Or maybe your travel insurance mentions “civil unrest”, as @grahroll suggests, which is basically the same thing.

At this stage, it is too late to do anything, but at least you can be properly informed about your position so that there are no surprises. People hate it when they go to make a claim on insurance (of any type) and then get knocked back. If your insurance doesn’t cover it, better to know that now.


#53

I doubt any of the community can offer any assurances on this.

While there is some good feedback previously on what may be your circumstance wrt travel insurance, the best reply would be that of the insurer. It may help to ask them if you are covered for losses, or changes due to the current disruption, if it continues as is? The insurers have their own standards/interpretations of events!

If the situation changes the insurer is unlikely to speculate. Cover may be excluded, or the circumstances considered by the insurer insufficient to cause a change. However if on arrival in HK things get worse, you may find you are excluded from cover. Hence DFATs current advisory.

It is worth considering time may be the key strategic weapon for all with the situation in HK.

HK has been a significant tourist destination, hence your proposed visit.

It would seem reasonable to expect Cathay Pacific and WendyWu Tours to organise around the situation, if they value their reputations. It’s their decision, not the customers?

The Hong Kong tour operator if prepaid may feel less immediate pressure, although all the tourism dependent business in HK will be under pressure.

Your comments suggest you can reschedule the HK tour. That is great if it is necessary. Assume there is a minimum notice period to reschedule or cancel?

Hopefully you have a reliably and trust worthy TA. And all is resolved peacefully and you can still look forward to a great trip.


#54

https// edition-m.cnn.com

“The airport is a source of pride, 73 million
passengers going through annually, it
contributes to 5% to Hong Kong GDP. “

“The protesters have viewed the airport as a way to communicate their struggle…
and as a safety space…riot police would
be unlikely to clear them out if travellers
we’re there…”

It probably seemed like a good idea at the time… but, really, using the very people
who are bringing in the wealth, as human shields doesn’t get much sympathy from
those held up for hours or days, missing
their connecting flights and causing all sorts of disruptions.

Wish they’d find another way…


#55

They probably think and are probably right that a protest to be visible needs to impact those whom they wish to make it visible to. If you protest in a spot that no one cares about then it is not likely to be of any impact. They are a small place and the rest of China is a very large and powerful place. To make the World aware of their issues they need to make their protest impactful to the World. Basically good on them for trying to protect their interests.

I’m also am truly sorry that it does impact you, it is something you have most likely spent a great deal of money and time on. Sadly we don’t live always in places were we can safely go about our days with benevolent and helpful authorities and sometimes this does require actions which affect visitors, tourists and even our own people. Bringing in Wealth is not always a concern when your freedoms/rights are being taken away.


#56

I agree, @grahroll, I’m very sympathetic with any struggle for freedom.
But I have never agreed with the method
of using human shields in the fight.
It diminishes the values. I wouldn’t think many of those used that way at the airport
would have much sympathy for the protesters, after having been made their
victims.


#57

I agree but let us not forget Tiananmen Square and the results of those protests that really didn’t have human shields as a protection for the protestors. Does China even allow any discussion of those protests? I think we will end up with China taking very harsh action against the protestors and I think there will be lots of misery as a result for many of those protestors.


#58

The only time we have been to Hong Kong was in 2001, and when we arrived in the airport terminal, we witnessed 4 paramilitary style police armed with sub-machineguns running to a section of the building.

When we departed the harbour on a cruise to Hainan Island and Halong Bay, we were passed at very high speed by 2 speed boats carrying armed uniformed personnel.

I expect that it will appear much more dangerous now due to the recent events.


#59

Having seen a few vox pops with foreign travellers at the airport, some do, some don’t.

You can ask the same question about, say, industrial action in any industry in Australia (whether it’s public transport workers walking off the job or teachers walking off the job or …). They are inconveniencing customers and dragging customers into a fight that the customers aren’t really part of and don’t really want to be part of. Sux to be the customer.

Back on topic: You really need to be talking to your insurer and your travel agent and the tour operator - and doing so on a frequent basis, as the situation could change (deteriorate or resolve) quickly.


#60

Thank you, @person ,
I’m trying not to panick😉
Two day ago, when the airport scene
deteriorated, I started asking question of my TA, but as it is 15 days to go, so much can change in that time that I’m really trying to take it as it comes.
Will keep you all posted, as you have very kindly been interested in this matter. :slightly_smiling_face:


#61

I wouldn’t.

There are media reports that the protesters may have now realised the damage that the airport shutdowns have done to HK. Some have apologised for going too far with the protests at the airport…including the restraining of a Chinese journalist.

There are also reports that the airports are now only restricted to travellers using the airport…passengers need to be able to prove travel to get into the airport precinct.

This is itself should reduce the chances of future airport disruptions.

It however doesn’t potentially change travel advice that may come out in relation to travel to HK should the situation deteriorate further in other parts of the city.

China has been (unsually’?) patient and it could because they do provide their autonomous regions with a considerable amount of automony in relation to day to day activities and function. I expect they will be monitoring the situation and if it goes past the point of no return (that being civil unrest which can’t be managed by HK authorities), then this may trigger their involvement.


#62

Actually I’m taking all of this as part of the ‘Travel’ experience, together with beautiful memories there are also not so good ones: last year at the same time I was in the U.S., Hurricane Florence hit South Carolina, 200 Km from Washington (if I’m not wrong). I still marvel at the way the authorities texted me about flood warnings as I had been there but a day! Watching the Weather Chanel at the Hotel made me feel terrified by all the things that could happen during floods! So I turned the TV off and went to sleep.
And all we had, all the way to Boston, was cloudy skies and some rain.
I value my peace of mind above all when faced with situations I can’t do anything about.
Of course, I’ll do all I can when it will come down to what is required ( insurance queries, change of plan costs etc,.) and always appreciate the kind input from members of our Community.
Thank you for your support :blush:


#63

Good news: Wendy Wu have agreed to a refund for the HK tour, less a reissue fee
for the flight back home.

Goodwill or they know something we don’t.


#64

That’s great news. But yes I hope it doesn’t mean something too serious on the horizon.


#65

I’m glad to report that I’ve had a wonderful time with my Wendy Wu Tour to China.

Can’t speak highly enough of everything
connected with it: Guides, Hotels, Food,
Itinerary.

Many wonderful experiences, including
the bullet train which reaches 431Km/h,
at one point it lifted up a little from the ground!
And having lunch with a local family living in the endangered Hutongs.
And the huge marble floored bathroom with mirrors all around and a bath tub to swim in, in the Hotel in Beijing.
Had I known I would have chosen a longer trip!

Not in topic, but China was a pleasant revelation: clean as Japan and as green.
That a city like Shanghai with a size area
smaller than Melbourne but with about 25
million people, can function so well I find
awe inspiring.
There’s a feeling of energy and prosperity in the country which sadly I found lacking in my recent travels to the West.

I’m also grateful to W.W. for being very understanding about cancelling my Hong Kong tour.


#66

Welcome back, and pleased you had a great experience in China and with W.W. tours.