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#41

Thanks for sharing John Cadogan’s videos. My mechanic went to the same auto school (well, kindred spirits).

One of John Cadogan’s videos put me onto data on the VW emissions scam and the scandalous statistics on impacts. Correct operation of emission controls (inexplicably there are better standards in Europe than here in Australia) matters to everyone’s health, and correct servicing must thus be important.

Increased air pollution due to VW’s reduced emission controls has led to many premature deaths. This would be the tip of the health impacts iceberg with many strokes, heart attacks, cardiovascular disease and asthma, lung cancer, brain and organ impacts just causing lots of misery and massive health costs.

From the article abstract:

In September 2015, the Volkswagen Group (VW) admitted the use of ‘defeat devices’ designed to lower emissions measured during VW vehicle testing for regulatory purposes. Globally, 11 million cars sold between 2008 and 2015 are affected, including about 2.6 million in Germany… Integrated over the sales period (2008–2015), we estimate median mortality impacts from VW excess emissions in Germany to be 1200 premature deaths in Europe, corresponding to 13,000 life-years lost and 1.9 billion EUR in costs associated with life-years lost. Approximately 60% of mortality costs occur outside Germany. For the current fleet, we estimate that if on-road emissions for all affected VW vehicles in Germany are reduced to the applicable European emission standard by the end of 2017, this would avert 29 000 life-years lost and 4.1 billion 2015 EUR in health costs (median estimates) relative to a counterfactual case with no recall.

Chossiere, Guillaume & Malina, Robert & Ashok, Akshay & Dedoussi, Irene & Eastham, Sebastian & Speth, Raymond & R H Barrett, Steven. (2017). Public health impacts of excess NO x emissions from Volkswagen diesel passenger vehicles in Germany. Environmental Research Letters. 12. 034014. 10.1088/1748-9326/aa5987.


#42

Why so? Many European governments and the EU itself are not as impervious to science and the well being of their residents compared to our situation where a dollar in a pocket is paramount, and many in government wagged science classes and think because we have such a wide open unpopulated area it doesn’t matter.

Thus it is easily ‘explicable’ :wink:


Australia’s weaker emission standards
#43

The passing of any individual is a sobering moment, and cause for reflection.

Estimates are always useful, and it is interesting to compare this with the greater picture.
The abstract does illustrate the risks of modern technology and potential for hidden impacts!

VolksWaggen were caught out seriously, for something that should never have occurred.
Fortunately for VW perhaps they are not facing 1,200 claims for compensation in court and billion dollar payouts for each life lost. Although VW were required to provide alternate restitution to the owners of the vehicles and who caused the increased levels of emissions every time they used their VWs. Perhaps the owners are also fortunate to not be in court also being pursued, as once the problem was public, continued use of their vehicles would have added to the emissions. However there was no sudden ban on VW’s continuing to be used despite the non-compliant and higher emissions.

Not quite the most recent data (but relevant to the last year referenced in the abstract on premature deaths).
For the EU at 1st Jan 2017 the total population was estimated at 511.8M
The deaths during the previous year 2016 were estimated to be 5.130M
The median estimate of premature deaths due to excess VW emissions was 0.0012M

It is sobering that not all of the 5 million were due to VolksWaggen. It does however demonstrate the magnitude of the problem facing the EU in improving lifespan with more than 5 million improvement opportunities every year. It would be an interesting separate topic for those with a special interest in ageing and the contributing factors to premature death. What more can be done?

Australia’s task is fortunately not as numerically large, but no doubt equally challenging?

Ref only.


Australia’s weaker emission standards
#44

My Tiguan was due in Feb or 132000k’s which ever is 1st. It’s got 122000k’s on the clock. Why should I go with the date ?


#45

In this topic there have been some very good posts on why it may matter. It could affect your warranty if something does fail, it can help improve engine life, it can address faults before they cause more problems. There may be issues that are subject to recalls that you may have missed and having the service done on time/km may/should get them addressed.

I encourage you to read through the posts in this topic and hopefully that will address/answer your question.


#46

Those of us going to independent shops cannot depend on them advising of campaigns. Some might, some might not, and some might do best efforts for those campaigns they know about. The dealer network is (rightly or wrongly, but in reality is) often the only source of such information. A related topic.


#47

A recall that may affect your Tiguan :

https://www.productsafety.gov.au/recall/volkswagen-group-australia-pty-ltd-tiguan-ad-and-tiguan-allspace-bw-my2015-2018


#48

These are all the Tiguan recalls over the past few years:

https://www.productsafety.gov.au/site-search/tiguan

It is worth doing a search before any vehicle service (any make or model) to see if there are any ones that may need to be completed at the service. It saves the effort of returning the vehicle at a later date or missing one needs doing.


#49

Doesn’t apply to my 2011 but ta anyway. My point is I use it for shopping etc so 4 K’s a year Max. So post warranty, things need changing after 4K’s a year ? I don’t think so. The timing belt, wipers, battery, fluids and filters have ALL been changed. So at 122K’s nothing needs changing yet. It should be good until 132K’s imo. I’ve got 10 k to go. Maybe the wipers and fill the wiper tank !


#50

The low Km usage and why it matters getting regular servicing is addressed in the videos in the post made by @V8Snail above.


#51

As outlined above, most in between services are more or less an oil change and visual check…noting major. Have a look at the service manual with the vehicle to see if this is the case.

If this is the case, you could take your vehicle to a local mecahnic and only ask for the oil to be changed which will be a relatively cheap service.

If you are a risk taker and not worried about what may happen if the inbetween service is not done, you may decide to risk it and miss it. In such cases, ensure that you monitor oil use as some vehicles are known for consuming oil even when new. If the oil runs dry, it may become very expensive.

At the end of the day it is up to you what you do.


#52

True, it’s your call and your opinion. Certainly some owners can relate success with similar strategies.

Three things any one doing so might like to discuss or consider.

  1. How old is your vehicle already? Bad things start to happen much more rapidly with vehicle age. Think 8-10 years onwards.
  2. How risky is high tech? VWs used to be low tech rattlers. These days they are one half step from the bleeding edge. Think last year’s Audi being produced for the masses. And Skoda is last years VW in the eyes of some tech heads?
  3. How well do you know and understand your vehicles vital signs and condition? Some of us claim to be able sniff and finger our engine oil, name and date it’s age and which oil field it was born in. True, once heavily degraded and burnt there are obvious signs to some. By then the damage is already done.

Perhaps for anyone who can add to or expand on these three points, they do not need the help of this topic. The real wisdom for everyone else has already been offered up.

Once a year for an inspection and oil & filter change is really very cheap insurance compared to the cost of a preventable failure, and still very low cost when compared with annual basic insurance and registration costs for a vehicle. Over $2,000 pa per vehicle in our household.


#53

That is true for those who have $2,000 pa to spend per vehicle. For those in less comfortable economic circumstances who need to budget their daily food rations it is not so clear cut that it is ‘cheap insurance’ when they are just getting by, if that. I am not suggesting anyone participating in this topic is among the latter, but someone could be.

My thoughts were coloured years ago when I was a middle manager and a young lady at entry level asked ‘around the water cooler’ how she could save. I responded with the benefits of the American IRA (eg super-like account) which was ‘the thing’ to minimise taxes and build wealth at the time. A gracious colleague took me aside and mentioned the young lady did not have excess cash to stash, did not have a tax problem, and needed income and hopefully growth at her age and level to keep her apartment, car, and so on going while she saved for a house or a rainy day. It was educational and decades later I still think about the ‘other person’ circumstances or reader’s ranges of circumstances, not just my own or best practices, when giving advice.