Car theft : relay hacking key-less entry cars and how to avoid it

In reading the file @ScottOKeefe provided it explained how the loop antenna was used once inside the car to transmit the Start command and thus enable starting the car. Once they had it started removal of the signal did not cause the car to stop, some did warn of the signal removal but none stopped. This failure to stop is both a convenience reason and a safety reason, that is if the battery fails in the fob and the car is running it is assumed it was started by a legitimate signal and if the car was moving then ceasing to run could/would create a dangerous situation.

They also explained that if the battery is flat in the fob the signal response to start the car must be achieved by placing the fob within centimetres of the interior antenna (usually the start button or the key hole) to read the LF signal (ie similar to the microchip readers for a dogā€™s chip), but it would be impractical to keep the fob placed this way while driving and this was a reason cars once started assume that they are in correct operation.

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Tamas I will return to my seat in class now . No harm done old friend . Sometimes we need to lighten up a bit on these forums and I know you would have gathered I was not being serious . Thanks for editing your post . Much appreciated .

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Iā€™m very interested in this article but when I try to read the attached article I get a pop up that suggests someone wants to use my information for advertising and I canā€™t read on without accepting. Do you know of a way around that? This is a screen shot

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This is in line with EU regulations regarding the putting of cookies on your computer by sites you visit. Instead of just installing them without your knowledge as they used to do they now have to inform you that they will use cookies if you continue to the site. You can either accept and use tools to clean any unneeded ones out (eg Super Antispyware) after or you can use extensions for your browser such as uBlock Origin or Privacy Badger to stop them as they download. Some cookies are not third party ones used by advertisers but are site ones to help display the pages you are interested in and are reasonably safe to allow.

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If anyone is interested the Aldi blitz mint tin and i would assume the eclipse mint tin will act as a faraday cage for my Kia sportage key and also fits in my pocket and I have to be extremely close i think about 30cm or less from the door button before the car picks it up.I mainly use this when Iā€™m working in my garage as it stops the mirrors opening and closing all the time and I donā€™t have to worry about being to slow to walk past the back of the car and the electric tail gate opening

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This is a bit more layman friendly to read.

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A good key-less entry story and all was well that ended well.

http://now100fm.com/canadian-woman-enterprise-infiniti-qx50/

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Sometimes car rental companies do free ā€˜upgradesā€™, but havenā€™t heard it done on the go before.

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Here is an article regarding a slightly different problem with vehicle smart keys.

Thanks for the link, Fred. The story is actually about an older ute with regular ā€˜dumbā€™ keys. No smarts involved.

Back in the '80s, I had a friend who drove a Ford Escort van. It was common knowledge that any Escort key could be used to unlock the rear van door. Not so great security for tradies who might have had a van full of expensive toolsā€¦

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Some interesting articles about digital car keys.

A digital car key is a feature that allows you to lock, unlock, and start your car using your smartphone. It works with NFC ā€¦ [and] allows users to put phones near supported car doors to lock/unlock them. Additionally, the user can place the phone on the car key reader to start the vehicle.

ā€¦ only a handful of [BMW] vehicles currently support Android digital car key. ā€¦ Google has partnered with the Car Connectivity Consortium to bring this to other vehicles. Other CCC partners include General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, and Volkswagen. This means these manufacturers should start joining the party soon.

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Your post has been moved to continue the discussion on key-less systems for cars, etc. The second article you linked from the Verge offers a further look at the ongoing security risks or advantages of the emerging and existing solutions.

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Thank you. This discussion was last active 5 years ago, I see ā€¦ probably why I didnā€™t spot it.

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